Legislature(2021 - 2022)BARNES 124

03/10/2022 10:15 AM House ENERGY

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         HB 301-UTILITIES: RENEWABLE PORTFOLIO STANDARD                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:20:24 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SCHRAGE announced that the  only order of business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL  NO. 301, "An Act  relating to the establishment  of a                                                               
renewable  portfolio standard  for regulated  electric utilities;                                                               
and providing for an effective date."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:20:50 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHRIS ROSE,  Executive Director, Renewable Energy  Alaska Project                                                               
(REAP),  offered the  PowerPoint presentation,  ["Support for  HB
301, An  RPS for  Alaska's Railbelt," hard  copy included  in the                                                               
committee packet].  He stated  that REAP is a statewide nonprofit                                                               
coalition of  diverse energy stakeholders,  [listed on  slide 2],                                                               
promoting renewable energy and energy  efficiency in Alaska since                                                               
2004.   He stated that  REAP is  an education and  advocacy group                                                               
working throughout the state providing  a variety of conferences,                                                               
webinars,  and  presentations,  supporting  K-12  STEM  [science,                                                               
technology,  engineering,   and  math]   education  as   well  as                                                               
developing clean  energy pathways for  jobs [listed on  slide 3].                                                               
He cited  that in 2008  REAP helped develop the  legislation that                                                               
resulted in  the Renewable Energy  Fund.  Referencing  [slide 4],                                                               
he said,  since 2008, $275  million has been appropriated  to the                                                               
fund, and  another $250  million is being  leveraged to  build 90                                                               
renewable energy  projects, mostly  in rural  Alaska.   He stated                                                               
other advocacy efforts include House  Bill 306 [passed during the                                                               
Twenty-Sixth  Alaska  State  Legislature],  which  created  a  50                                                               
percent goal  by 2025 for  renewable energy.  More  recently REAP                                                               
has  been   involved  in  the   reform  of  the   Railbelt  grid,                                                               
specifically  with Senate  Bill  123 [passed  during the  Thirty-                                                               
First  Alaska State  Legislature], which  creates a  new form  of                                                               
governance that would help  execute renewable portfolio standards                                                               
(RPS).                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:23:57 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE, [moving  to slide 5], explained  that energy generation                                                               
in the Railbelt is "lopsided"  because the Cook Inlet natural gas                                                               
supply generates  about 80  percent of  all the  electricity from                                                               
Homer  to Fairbanks.    He  said this  fuel  is  about twice  the                                                               
national average.   As a result,  Alaska has some of  the highest                                                               
electricity costs in  the nation.  He expressed  the opinion that                                                               
high  electricity  cost  is  a  problem  because  it  discourages                                                               
investment  and economic  activity.   He stated  that, meanwhile,                                                               
the Railbelt  region has massive renewable  energy potential from                                                               
wind,  solar,   hydro,  geothermal,  biomass,  and   tidal.    He                                                               
expressed the opinion that no  energy policy in the state focuses                                                               
on consumer-based  policies and triggers  action.  He  added that                                                               
75 percent of  the state lives in the Railbelt  region, which has                                                               
a  history of  inaction [in  relation  to energy  policies].   He                                                               
pointed out  that the graph  [on slide  6] shows how  quickly the                                                               
price of wind and  solar has dropped over the last  10 years.  He                                                               
explained that the price of wind  and solar in Alaska has dropped                                                               
below the price of  gas in the Lower 48, and the  price of gas in                                                               
the Lower 48 is half the price of Cook Inlet gas.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:27:28 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER  questioned whether  the overall  drop in                                                               
costs of  renewable energy is  because of  China's participation.                                                               
He  questioned   whether  materials   have  become   cheaper  and                                                               
technology has gotten better.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE responded  that the price reduction  [for renewables] is                                                               
the result of "all of the above,  and I would also add policy ...                                                               
because it drives  markets."  He stated that 30  states have RPS,                                                               
and  multiple countries  have renewable  energy requirements,  so                                                               
more utilities  need equipment.   This need increases  the volume                                                               
and  the economy  of  scale.   Once  the  requirement  is set  in                                                               
policy,  prices come  down.   He posited  that this  has happened                                                               
across  the planet  for the  last  10 years,  because more  usage                                                               
drives down prices.   He stated that  this includes technological                                                               
innovations.  He  gave an example of  wind technology, explaining                                                               
that  wind towers  are getting  taller because  there is  "better                                                               
wind up  higher," and blades  are getting bigger, which  means it                                                               
can "sweep more  area with the wind turbine."   He concluded that                                                               
technological innovations are driving the prices down.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:29:15 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ROSE stated  that Lazard,  a consulting  group, created  the                                                               
graph  [on  slide  7],  which shows  the  unsubsidized  costs  of                                                               
different   energy    technologies   in    "an   apples-to-apples                                                               
comparison."     He   outlined  the   cost  comparisons   between                                                               
renewables and  conventional energy resources, stating  that wind                                                               
and  solar, with  the new  technology, are  cheaper than  natural                                                               
gas.   He added that building  new nuclear or natural  gas plants                                                               
would be more expensive than  building new wind and solar plants.                                                               
Answering a  question from the  committee meeting  [on 3/8/2022],                                                               
he pointed  out the percentage  of wind energy used  in different                                                               
states, [depicted  on slide 8].   He noted that Iowa  produces 58                                                               
percent  of all  its electricity  from  wind.   He expressed  the                                                               
belief that  this is  the highest  in the  world.   He referenced                                                               
Texas, which generates  more megawatt hours than  Iowa, but Texas                                                               
has a bigger  population.  He pointed out other  states listed on                                                               
the slide with high levels of wind-generated energy.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE  noted that  intermittent wind energy  can be  stored in                                                               
batteries and  pointed to  the graph [on  slide 9]  depicting the                                                               
cost of  lithium-ion batteries.   He explained  that the  cost of                                                               
batteries  is being  driven down  by electric  vehicles, consumer                                                               
electronics, and  utility-scale energy  storage.  As  the vehicle                                                               
industry transitions  to electric, he expressed  the opinion that                                                               
the economy  of scale will  drive down the battery  prices, which                                                               
results in another  important cost driver for  the utilization of                                                               
wind and solar.  He  informed the committee that many independent                                                               
producers  in the  Lower 48  bid  on package  deals that  include                                                               
energy  generation, battery  installation, and  a flat  price for                                                               
the power.   He mentioned that some of these  packages have lower                                                               
prices than natural gas.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:33:39 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ROSE   stated  that  [slide   10]  graphs   the  electricity                                                               
generation in  the U.S.  He  contrasted the graph with  the graph                                                               
that  the   Alaska  Energy  Authority  (AEA)   presented  in  the                                                               
committee meeting  [on 3/8/2022].   He clarified that  this graph                                                               
includes  every  type  of electricity  from  different  resources                                                               
produced  across   the  country.    Addressing   the  electricity                                                               
production  in   the  U.S.,  he   said  20  percent   comes  from                                                               
renewables.  He pointed out  that wind surpassed hydro and solar,                                                               
moving  to 10  percent.   He added  that nuclear,  [which is  not                                                               
considered renewable on the graph],  produces about 20 percent of                                                               
the  electricity, coal  has dropped  dramatically to  19 percent,                                                               
and natural gas  generates about 40 percent.   He reiterated that                                                               
80  percent of  electricity in  the Railbelt  comes from  natural                                                               
gas.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE  stated that [slide 11]  shows a map of  the states with                                                               
RPS.  He  pointed out the 10 jurisdictions with  standards at 100                                                               
percent by 2040  or 2050.  He  noted that, to be  included on the                                                               
map, the  U.S. Department  of Energy  (DoE) requires  the states'                                                               
renewable  goals to  be codified.   He  identified Alaska  as not                                                               
having codified goals;  thus, DoE did not include it  on the map.                                                               
In  addressing   a  question  from  the   committee  meeting  [on                                                               
3/8/2022],  he indicated  that many  states have  more aggressive                                                               
standards  than the  standards proposed  in HB  301, which  is 80                                                               
percent by 2040.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:36:22 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RAUSCHER expressed  the assumption  that codified                                                               
states  represented on  the  map  would incur  a  penalty if  the                                                               
appropriate percentage  [of renewable  energy] was  not met.   He                                                               
questioned  whether utility  companies have  been penalized.   He                                                               
referenced   the  penalty   in  the   proposed  legislation   and                                                               
questioned whether it would match penalties in the Lower 48.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE  began by reiterating  that Alaska's energy goal  is not                                                               
in statute because it is not  codified.  He answered the question                                                               
by confirming  that states  with RPS  would enforce  the standard                                                               
through a  fine, or an  alternative compliance payment.   He gave                                                               
the  example  that Hawai'i  is  an  RPS  state  with a  fine  for                                                               
noncompliance,  but utilities  have  complied, so  the state  has                                                               
never enforced fines.   He offered that he does  not know whether                                                               
states have had to enforce  penalties on utilities, but he argued                                                               
that  using  penalties  would  be  the  only  way  to  enforce  a                                                               
standard.   He  stated the  difference would  be that  a standard                                                               
would be enforced,  and a goal would not be  enforced.  He opined                                                               
that the  fine written in HB  301 is "much, much  lower" compared                                                               
to other  states, and  this would  be his  only concern  with the                                                               
legislation.   He compared the  average fine of $47  per megawatt                                                               
hour with  the proposed  legislation's fine  of $20  per megawatt                                                               
hour, concluding that the penalty in  HB 301 is less than half of                                                               
the average in the U.S.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:39:18 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.   ROSE,  in   response  to   a  follow-up   request,  assured                                                               
Representative  Rauscher   that  he   would  follow  up   with  a                                                               
spreadsheet  of the  state-by-state  breakdown  of standards  and                                                               
fines.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:41:11 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAUFMAN  expressed  the assumption  that  RPS  in                                                               
other states are  based on an energy mix.   He questioned whether                                                               
states would set  renewable goals and let  market dynamics arrive                                                               
at the energy mix based on high reliability and affordable cost.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE responded that some states  have a carve out requiring a                                                               
certain percentage  of the  renewable energy  be from  solar, for                                                               
example.   He noted that  HB 301 does not  have a carve  out, and                                                               
all  renewable technologies  would be  eligible to  count towards                                                               
compliance.   Addressing reliability and cost,  he explained that                                                               
the  Federal Energy  Regulatory Commission  and the  market would                                                               
control  this.    He  said  that   in  the  Lower  48  there  are                                                               
reliability standards  that all utilities  have to meet,  or they                                                               
pay fines;  thus, they would  not purchase or  generate renewable                                                               
energy unless it is reliable.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ROSE  stated  that,  in  the  Lower  48,  independent  power                                                               
producers selling  renewable energies generate 40  percent of all                                                               
electricity.   He  voiced  the opinion  that  the Railbelt  needs                                                               
competition, as now there is a  history of "self-built bias."  He                                                               
explained  that all  the  utilities in  the  Railbelt have  built                                                               
their own  energy generation  with very  little competition.   He                                                               
suggested that RPS  would bring in more companies  to compete and                                                               
drive down  the price, similar to  the Lower 48.   He stated that                                                               
before  the legislature  passed Senate  Bill 123,  the Regulatory                                                               
Commission of Alaska (RCA) had  no preapproval authority over the                                                               
utilities built in the Railbelt.   He expressed the opinion that,                                                               
before this, the utility companies  had not planned together, and                                                               
many  projects   were  unnecessary  and  not   the  cheapest  for                                                               
consumers.  He said that reliability  and price are taken care of                                                               
in the Lower 48 [through the  market], and this could be the case                                                               
in Alaska.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:45:26 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAUFMAN reasoned that if  the price point is going                                                               
down  for   power  generated   by  alternative   energy  methods,                                                               
economics  would create  [a market].   He  expressed his  lack of                                                               
understanding why the market would not lower the price point.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ROSE  responded  in  agreement   but  emphasized  that  five                                                               
utilities  have operated  in  "their own  little  sphere" in  the                                                               
Railbelt, and the market has never  been open to competition.  He                                                               
explained  that,  until  Senate  Bill 123,  each  utility  had  a                                                               
different  interconnection   standard,  and  if   an  independent                                                               
company  had  wanted  to  sell  solar  or  wind,  five  different                                                               
standards for  interconnection would be  needed.  He  stated that                                                               
Senate   Bill  123   created  a   nondiscriminatory,  open-access                                                               
standard.   He said another  barrier for  an open market  is that                                                               
the entire  system is not dispatched  by one unit.   He explained                                                               
that the utilities  are good at balancing supply  and demand, but                                                               
they  are doing  this independently  of  each other,  not as  one                                                               
unit.   He  suggested that  a portfolio  standard would  move the                                                               
Railbelt toward  a single-load balancing  area, creating  "a much                                                               
better  market."   He  relayed that  RCA  acknowledges that  this                                                               
would  be  a  good  thing  for  consumers.    In  agreement  with                                                               
Representative Kaufman, he said a  market would do this if Alaska                                                               
had the same conditions as the Lower 48.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:48:42 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE    RAUSCHER    requested   an    explanation    of                                                               
"reliability."  He  expressed the opinion that it  could have two                                                               
different  meanings:  consistent  cost   of  electricity  to  the                                                               
ratepayer or consistent availability of hydrocarbons.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE explained that in  the electrical industry "reliability"                                                               
means  a  standard  for  making  sure  system  frequency  remains                                                               
constant  and supply  and demand  is balanced  perfectly with  no                                                               
flickering   or  blackouts.      He  voiced   the  opinion   that                                                               
Representative  Rauscher  may  be articulating  the  concepts  of                                                               
resiliency and  volatility.  He  gave examples, and  he explained                                                               
that if there  is a reliance on the market  price of a commodity,                                                               
there  would  be  less  resilience because  of  the  exposure  to                                                               
volatility.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER  commented that, looking out  the window,                                                               
with reliance  on wind or solar  today, "it'd be a  rough day for                                                               
reliability."                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE explained,  if there is a single-load  balancing area in                                                               
the Railbelt,  "I could  be powering my  little office  here with                                                               
wind from  100 miles away."   With a larger-balancing  area, wind                                                               
may be in one place but not  another.  He added that fossil fuels                                                               
would  be a  backup, but  the goal  is to  have less  reliance on                                                               
fossil fuels.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ROSE moved  to [slide  12],  which outlined  the dangers  of                                                               
relying  on  Cook  Inlet  gas.     He  said  Cook  Inlet  gas  is                                                               
"essentially under  monopoly control," as Hilcorp  Energy Company                                                               
controls 85 percent  of the gas, which is twice  the price of gas                                                               
in the  Lower 48.   He argued that  a flat demand,  high offshore                                                               
production costs, and  an aging infrastructure are  "a recipe for                                                               
higher  and higher  and higher  costs for  gas."   He added  that                                                               
there  is  a  dangerous  dependence on  Cook  Inlet  gas  because                                                               
production is highly subsidized.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:52:14 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ROSE pointed  out  the  graph [on  slide  13] detailing  the                                                               
change  in gas  prices in  Cook Inlet  since 1994.   He  said the                                                               
price has changed from $2 to the  current $8, so this is not "the                                                               
good old  days" with cheap gas.   He added that  until the recent                                                               
rise  of prices  in the  Lower  48, Railbelt  utilities had  been                                                               
paying three times the price than Lower 48 utilities.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE  stated that,  in conjunction  with introducing  HB 301,                                                               
the governor  requested the National Renewable  Energy Laboratory                                                               
(NREL)  perform a  feasibility analysis,  resulting in  a 50-page                                                               
report [hard copy  included in the committee packet].   The study                                                               
found  two major  things [as  seen on  slide 14]:  80 percent  of                                                               
renewable  energy can  be obtained  by using  the existing  hydro                                                               
with better  energy storage, without impacting  reliability; and,                                                               
if there is  80 percent energy from renewables, there  would be a                                                               
savings  in natural  gas fuel  costs  between $4  million and  $5                                                               
million per  year.  He  noted that NREL  plans to study  costs in                                                               
various   scenarios  in   the  future,   but   because  of   time                                                               
constraints, NREL considered only five scenarios.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:55:08 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE  provided background information  on Alan  Mitchell, who                                                               
has owned Analysis  North since 1986, [as seen on  slide 15].  He                                                               
moved to  [slide 16], titled, "Preliminary  Benefit/Cost Analysis                                                               
of  NREL's  RPS  Scenario  3."   He  stated  that  this  scenario                                                               
consists  of mostly  wind and  solar and  was picked  [to review]                                                               
because  the cost  of wind  and solar  is known.   This  analysis                                                               
shows that  80 percent  of wind  and solar  would have  a capital                                                               
cost of $3.2  billion, with a savings of $6.7  billion in natural                                                               
gas over a 22-year period.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE pointed out that in  Mr. Mitchell's analysis he used the                                                               
assumptions listed  [on slide  17].  He  stated that  NREL's fuel                                                               
savings were  based on AEA's  fuel-price forecast.   He explained                                                               
that the capital cost is mostly  from wind and solar, but it also                                                               
includes the  costs of a  63-megawatt generator, some  hydro, and                                                               
some biomass.   The costs of new transmission  and energy storage                                                               
are not  included in the  analysis because utility  companies are                                                               
already planning  [to spend money]  on storage  and transmission.                                                               
He referenced the assumption that,  for the ease of modeling, all                                                               
the  investments would  happen in  one  year.   To determine  the                                                               
assumed cost  of wind,  he said, Mr.  Mitchell accounted  for the                                                               
"Alaska factor" by  using the cost of the Eagle  Creek project in                                                               
Fairbanks to determine  the cost to build a wind  plant in Golden                                                               
Valley, which  is double the  cost to build  a wind plant  in the                                                               
Lower 48.   He  stated that  Mr. Mitchell used  the same  type of                                                               
assumptions for the solar analysis.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
11:00:13 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ROSE  stated   that  [slide  18]  lists   the  benefits  not                                                               
considered in the  analysis: possible decrease of  wind and solar                                                               
costs, possible  increase in  future fuel  costs, avoidance  of a                                                               
carbon  tax, and  federal subsidies  that could  be reintroduced.                                                               
He  said, "This  is  a  fairly conservative  back-of-the-envelope                                                               
analysis."   He moved  to [slide 19],  explaining that  since the                                                               
passage of Senate Bill 123  the Railbelt is required to establish                                                               
an  electric liability  organization (ERO)  to enforce  standards                                                               
and  do regional  integrated resource  planning.   He  reiterated                                                               
that, before  this, the Railbelt  had no mechanism  for executing                                                               
RPS because utility companies were  not mandated to work together                                                               
with standards.   He stated that  ERO's first project would  be a                                                               
technical   and  economic   feasibility  analysis   of  renewable                                                               
percentages for future milestones.   He added that the plan would                                                               
be submitted for approval to RCA.   He stated that the last slide                                                               
presents a summary of the goals  of HB 301, as follows: diversify                                                               
the  portfolio  by  decreasing reliance  on  gas,  utilize  local                                                               
renewable  energy,  not  impact   reliability,  make  the  market                                                               
competitive,  create  energy   independence,  move  consumers  to                                                               
renewables,  create  jobs with  economic  benefits,  and -  "most                                                               
importantly" -  establish a standard  that triggers  activity, as                                                               
there will be a penalty for noncompliance.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
11:05:56 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RAUSCHER indicated  that he  had four  questions.                                                               
First, he questioned whether ERO  is the organization that should                                                               
be determining  the projections and  percentages to  be attained,                                                               
asking, "Have we  gotten the cart before the horse?"   Second, he                                                               
questioned the  projected fuel-cost  savings used for  the model.                                                               
Third, he  questioned whether  the 80  percent was  "derived from                                                               
the current limitations with the  system or was that derived from                                                               
what  could  be  in  the  future  system,  if  we  implement  ...                                                               
transmission   upgrades."     Fourth,   if   the  upgrades   were                                                               
incorporated  in  the  model,  he  questioned  the  cost  of  the                                                               
upgrades.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ROSE, in  response  to the  first  question, explained  that                                                               
creating ERO  would be a first  step.  The legislature  would set                                                               
the policy,  and ERO would  implement this  in the Railbelt.   He                                                               
said  [the stakeholders]  did  not want  to  introduce RPS  until                                                               
there was a mechanism for execution.   In reference to the second                                                               
question,  he  provided that  a  representative  from NREL  would                                                               
explain the numbers  obtained from the utilities  and modeling in                                                               
a subsequent  hearing.   He expressed the  opinion that  the "gas                                                               
burn" today is easy to  determine, and the price projections came                                                               
from  AEA  and  are  consistent   with  other  projections.    In                                                               
reference  to the  last two  questions, he  expressed the  belief                                                               
that "80 percent is not aggressive  in the country," but a "happy                                                               
medium,"  which  is achievable  with  available  technology.   He                                                               
stated that NREL has clarified this with multiple scenarios.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
11:10:01 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FIELDS  expressed the  opinion that RPS  is needed                                                               
in  Alaska, but  the Susitna-Watana  Hydroelectric Project  would                                                               
not be built, so the majority  of renewable energy is not "on the                                                               
table."   He questioned  the amount of  storage required  in NREL                                                               
scenarios  [that do  not use  the maximum  amount of  hydro], the                                                               
location of the pump-storage facilities,  and the cost to support                                                               
48 percent wind and solar generation.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE responded  that this is a good question,  but the answer                                                               
is unknown.   He  explained that ERO  would integrate  a resource                                                               
plan,  as  the  proposed  legislation would  require  30  percent                                                               
renewable  energy by  2030.    He explained  that  20 percent  is                                                               
achievable by 2025,  because the percentage is almost  there.  He                                                               
continued that ERO's resource plan  would likely be done by 2025,                                                               
giving five  years of "runway"  on how to increase  renewables by                                                               
10 percent.   He stated that the pump-storage  locations would be                                                               
unknown until  the resources  are determined.   He  expressed the                                                               
opinion   that  they   would  be   located   close  to   existing                                                               
transmission and battery  storage.  He expressed  the belief that                                                               
the  utilities  in  the  Railbelt already  have  plans  to  build                                                               
battery storage regardless of the  legislation; likewise, AEA and                                                               
other authorities  are planning  to build  transmission upgrades.                                                               
He stated that to achieve  30 percent renewables by 2030 requires                                                               
action.    In example,  he  stated  that the  Matanuska  Electric                                                               
Association equates  to the size  of West Virginia and  has never                                                               
prospected for wind.  The  proposed legislation would require the                                                               
utilities  to  seek  out  resources, and  once  found,  the  most                                                               
appropriate  energy-storage scenario  would  be  determined.   He                                                               
stated  that  55  percent  by  2035 is  a  big  jump,  but  other                                                               
technologies,  like  geothermal  and   tidal  energy,  are  being                                                               
considered.     The  world  is  making   tidal-energy  technology                                                               
cheaper,  and he  hypothesized that  tidal energy  in Cook  Inlet                                                               
would produce 50 times the power that is in the Railbelt now.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
11:15:08 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
TOM  PLANT, Senior  Policy  Advisor, Center  for  the New  Energy                                                               
Economy  (CNEE), in  support of  HB 301,  presented a  PowerPoint                                                               
[hard copy  included in  the committee packet].   He  stated that                                                               
CNEE collaborates  with legislators  and governors from  all over                                                               
the  country   and  is  a   nonprofit  part  of   Colorado  State                                                               
University.    He  shared  that   he  has  served  in  the  state                                                               
legislature of  Colorado and ran  the state's energy office.   He                                                               
said that  while he  worked for  the government,  Colorado passed                                                               
its  RPS, along  with other  policies that  targeted new  energy.                                                               
Because of its success, other  states have reached out for advice                                                               
on  energy policies,  which has  become the  focus of  CNEE.   He                                                               
explained  that  CNEE runs  databases  for  advanced searches  on                                                               
energy  legislation, [as  seen on  slide 2].   He  described [the                                                               
database as  a tool to  help states understand what  is happening                                                               
across  the  nation], so  ideas  can  be borrowed  for  effective                                                               
energy  legislation.   He stated  that  CNEE also  runs a  yearly                                                               
academy   on   clean   energy  legislation,   bringing   together                                                               
bipartisan legislative  groups with energy professionals  to help                                                               
craft the best policy for their state.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. PLANT,  [moving to  slide 3],  stated that  the results  of a                                                               
study by Lazard showed the dramatic  decline in costs of wind and                                                               
solar  over the  past 12  years.   He stated  that when  Colorado                                                               
passed   its  RPS,   prices  had   been  higher   [for  renewable                                                               
technology].   He  stated that  Alaska would  benefit from  lower                                                               
prices, as  the graph  shows the  cost of  wind decreasing  by 72                                                               
percent  and the  cost of  solar decreasing  by 90  percent.   He                                                               
said, because of "growing pains" in  other states, Alaska is in a                                                               
good situation [to benefit].                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
11:20:23 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PLANT indicated  that the  table [on  slide 4]  lists states                                                               
with RPS.  He explained that  most of these states have increased                                                               
standards  and  extended  expiration   dates.    He  referred  to                                                               
Colorado's  process, [listed  on  slide 5],  which  began with  a                                                               
citizen's ballot initiative passing  renewable standards in 2004.                                                               
He  noted  that  Xcel  Energy  was the  main  opposition  to  the                                                               
initiative,  with   the  concerns  that  costs   would  increase,                                                               
engineering  would  not  be  possible   with  the  grid,  and  no                                                               
resources would be available to  meet the standard.  The negative                                                               
assumptions never  materialized, and Colorado updated  its RPS in                                                               
2007 to  20 percent renewables  by 2020, and,  because technology                                                               
had become more familiar and  improved, Xcel Energy supported the                                                               
measure.   He  emphasized that  now  Xcel Energy  has learned  to                                                               
incorporate renewable  energy without integration  or reliability                                                               
problems, and  it has moved  ahead without a  legislative mandate                                                               
[as  seen on  slide  6].   He  said that  Colorado's  goal is  66                                                               
percent  renewables [for  electricity] by  2030, with  an overall                                                               
objective [of 100  percent] by 2040.  He explained  that for Xcel                                                               
Energy to move ahead without requirement was a shift.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
11:26:25 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. PLANT  pointed out  [on slide 7]  the renewable  standard has                                                               
helped  drive  down emission  levels  even  while population  has                                                               
rapidly grown.   To understand what drives costs, [slide  8] is a                                                               
graph  of data  collected  from [consumers']  energy  bills.   He                                                               
pointed  out  that  plants  producing  energy  from  fuel  create                                                               
fluctuation  and  volatility  in  an  energy  bill,  and  utility                                                               
companies  discovered   that  the  incorporation   of  renewables                                                               
reduced  the associated  risk of  the fuel-cost  adjustment.   He                                                               
said that the cost of renewable  energy is upfront in the capital                                                               
cost, and  this cost would remain  flat over time.   He explained                                                               
that  even  with  fuel-cost volatility,  electricity  rates  have                                                               
stayed below the consumer price index.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
11:30:36 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. PLANT,  addressing the  graph [on slide  9], stated  that the                                                               
rural  electric cooperatives  copied  Xcel  Energy's approach  to                                                               
renewable  energy and  reduced their  coal assets.   Because  the                                                               
costs of  renewables are less  than the marginal  operating costs                                                               
of the  existing coal plants,  the cooperatives are  projected to                                                               
save 8 percent.   Concluding the presentation, he  said that when                                                               
Colorado began  transitioning to  renewables not many  states had                                                               
RPS  to  use   for  examples,  but  results   have  far  exceeded                                                               
expectations.  He remarked that  there has been a strong economic                                                               
response and  gave examples  of companies  that have  invested in                                                               
manufacturing and technology for renewable energy.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
11:34:28 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FIELDS,   referencing  the   differences  between                                                               
Colorado and  Alaska, stated  that Alaska  has very  little coal-                                                               
generated energy, and, unlike Colorado,  the Railbelt grid is not                                                               
connected  with other  grids.   He  requested  comments on  these                                                               
differences  and  the  issues  Alaska may  face  in  relation  to                                                               
storage.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. PLANT  responded that  storage is starting  to play  a larger                                                               
part  in  the  various  requests  for  proposals.    Even  adding                                                               
storage, the requests for proposals  are far below other marginal                                                               
costs.   He stated that  a wind-plus-storage project  financed at                                                               
under  $2   per  megawatt  hour,   including  incentives,   is  a                                                               
"remarkably  low price."   He  noted Colorado  is not  integrated                                                               
with the  Western grid, as  there is not a  regional transmission                                                               
organization  like  the  Eastern   Interconnection.    He  stated                                                               
Colorado  is restrained,  but the  state  is looking  at ways  to                                                               
expand regional  integration of its resources  with other states,                                                               
and  the plan  going  forward would  be using  60  percent or  70                                                               
percent renewables, which would  require managing these resources                                                               
over a larger geographic area.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
11:37:17 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER questioned  why both presentations listed                                                               
Alaska as a state with no renewable standard or goal.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. PLANT  responded that  the graph  with this  information came                                                               
from the  National Council  of State  Legislators (NCSL),  and it                                                               
examines statutory requirements.   He expressed the understanding                                                               
that Alaska does  not have a renewable standard  in the statutes;                                                               
therefore,  it   is  not  counted.     He  stated   NCSL  obtains                                                               
information from NREL, so this standard is the same.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
11:39:09 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAUFMAN, considering the  goals of having reliable                                                               
power and  reducing carbon, questioned whether  nuclear power, or                                                               
other  energy,  should  be  considered as  part  of  the  overall                                                               
portfolio.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. PLANT responded that different  states react differently.  He                                                               
noted that a number of  states have defined and established clean                                                               
energy  standards.   He  stated  that,  if  an objective  is  the                                                               
reduction  of  carbon,  nuclear  would fit  in  this,  much  like                                                               
natural gas  has replaced coal.   He added that about  20 percent                                                               
of the  power in the  Lower 48 comes  from nuclear power.   While                                                               
nuclear is a zero-carbon resource,  various states have concerns.                                                               
He  said that  each  state  can propose  to  meet its  objectives                                                               
differently,  and  a number  of  states  have transitioned  their                                                               
portfolios to  be based on  the level  of carbon output  from the                                                               
entire system.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
11:42:38 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MARK  GLICK, Energy  Policy  Specialist,  Hawai'i Natural  Energy                                                               
Institute   (HNEI),  in   support  of   HB  301,   presented  the                                                               
PowerPoint,  ["Hawaii's  Energy   Transition  Framework:  Binding                                                               
Commitments and Stakeholder Alliance,"  hard copy included in the                                                               
committee packet].   He  described Hawai'i  as the  most isolated                                                               
and populated  land mass in  the world.   Like Alaska,  the state                                                               
has  the   challenge  of  being  disconnected   from  neighboring                                                               
electrical grids  and common  supply lines.   He said  Hawai'i is                                                               
transitioning from an almost total  dependence on fossil fuels to                                                               
a greater  energy self-sufficiency.   He  offered support  for HB
301, and said, "It  is the right measure at the  right time."  He                                                               
shared that  HNEI is a research  unit of the School  of Ocean and                                                               
Earth Science and Technology, University  of Hawai'i, [as seen on                                                               
slide 2].  He stated that,  combining a diverse staff of experts,                                                               
HNEI, the  Hawai'i State  Energy Office,  and the  Hawai'i Public                                                               
Utilities  Commission  (PUC)  have  been appointed  to  lead  the                                                               
state's energy  transition.  He listed  multiple organizations he                                                               
has worked  with throughout  his career,  including organizations                                                               
in Alaska.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
11:46:05 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GLICK,   [referencing  slide   3],  pointed  out   that  the                                                               
geographical isolation of Hawai'i is  central to the evolution of                                                               
its energy system, and even  with the rapid growth of renewables,                                                               
more than  80 percent of the  state's energy mix still  relies on                                                               
petroleum, with the transportation sector  using most of the mix.                                                               
He  continued that  economics and  energy security  had been  the                                                               
initial  drivers for  clean  energy plans  after  the [1973]  oil                                                               
shock, but the  plans did not turn into action  for 30 years, and                                                               
historical reliance on  petroleum led to an  "inertia" because of                                                               
the  adverse  effect  on  the  two local  oil  refineries.    The                                                               
refineries  supplied  jet  fuel,  gasoline, and  diesel  [to  the                                                               
entire state].   He  referenced that  the 2008  recession created                                                               
pressure to move from petroleum  because of oil price volatility,                                                               
and in 2009 the legislature passed 40 percent RPS by 2030.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
11:48:16 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GLICK stated  that Hawai'i  has historically  imported crude                                                               
oil  for  its  electrical  power  generation  and  transportation                                                               
markets.    Tourism  dominates the  economy,  with  10.5  million                                                               
visitors coming to the islands in  2019.  He added that after the                                                               
COVID-19  pandemic the  industry  is bouncing  back.   He  stated                                                               
that,  according   to  economic  research,  the   impact  of  oil                                                               
volatility on residents  and visitors is "profound,"  [as seen on                                                               
slide  4].   He  pointed out  that even  though  the fossil  fuel                                                               
energy  producers   gain  from  high  prices,   those  gains  are                                                               
deceptive, and a  study from 2007 showed oil  volatility has more                                                               
of  an impact  on the  economy  than slower,  steadier oil  price                                                               
increases.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
11:50:04 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GLICK  moved  to  [slide  5],  which  details  the  economic                                                               
recession  in  Hawai'i  in  2008.   He  said  because  of  global                                                               
factors,  fuel prices  greatly reduced  travel and  tourism.   He                                                               
explained  that supply  chain  issues  compounded the  recession.                                                               
Explaining the vulnerabilities, [detailed  on slide 6], he stated                                                               
that if  any of the  [fuel] supply  chain is damaged,  the entire                                                               
energy system is at risk.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. GLICK  pointed out  the Hawai'i  Clean Energy  Initiative [on                                                               
slide  7], with  the essential  components being  the stakeholder                                                               
alliance and a body of laws  and regulations.  He said the agenda                                                               
works best when all the  constituencies and resource partners are                                                               
at the table  with a sense of ownership with  the process and the                                                               
outcomes.    He  spoke  about  the  history  of  the  stakeholder                                                               
alliance.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
11:54:51 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. GLICK  pointed out that  Hawai'i has two  utilities operating                                                               
six  isolated grids.    The state's  challenges  for a  renewable                                                               
energy  transition are  listed [on  slide 8],  as follows:  Oahu,                                                               
with the highest  population and energy usage,  has less landmass                                                               
for  effective solar  and wind;  no interconnections  between the                                                               
islands; unwillingness in communities  to support the development                                                               
of  large-scale  infrastructure  projects; real  estate's  rising                                                               
prices;  and  requirements  for  permitting.    Nonetheless,  the                                                               
economics and stakeholder  alliance have kept the  state ahead of                                                               
its RPS  schedule [as seen on  slide 9].  He  shared that Hawai'i                                                               
received international  attention when  it passed  legislation in                                                               
2015  establishing   an  electricity  standard  of   100  percent                                                               
renewable by  2045.   This target is  now the  defining objective                                                               
for  all future  investments in  the state's  electricity sector,                                                               
allowing for a systemic change to a clean-energy future.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
11:57:09 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. GLICK, [moving to slide  10], stated that deploying renewable                                                               
energy in Hawai'i  depends on competitive bids  in purchase power                                                               
agreements  (PPAs).   He noted  that the  "remoteness factor"  of                                                               
Hawai'i  and Alaska  makes renewable  energy more  expensive than                                                               
markets  in the  mainland U.S.  and Europe,  and Hawai'i  has not                                                               
experienced PPAs with  3 cents or 4 cents per  kilowatt hour.  He                                                               
voiced the opinion  that Alaska would not  experience this either                                                               
but expressed hope  that neither state would be  immune to global                                                               
trends.   He pointed  out that  the adoption  of RPS  removed any                                                               
ambiguity over the  intention of Hawai'i to  establish a reliable                                                               
and renewable energy market, and  this has created competition in                                                               
PPAs.   He said  that, with competitive  bids and  PUC oversight,                                                               
solar prices are  on a downward trend.  He  pointed out [on slide                                                               
10]   seven   solar   projects  with   energy   storage,   making                                                               
intermittent  energy  more  reliable.   He  speculated  that  the                                                               
Railbelt  would  have  competitive renewable  energy  because  of                                                               
rising natural gas prices, wind  potential, and a large land mass                                                               
for renewables.   He stated  that Hawai'i passed its  RPS without                                                               
any clear  analytical findings.   He expressed the  opinion that,                                                               
while studies should  be performed, the absence  of these studies                                                               
should not  be a barrier to  the urgent action needed  to get the                                                               
transition underway.   He expressed  the expectation  that Alaska                                                               
would be the benefactor of a long-term global price curve.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
12:00:55 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. GLICK stated  that [slide 11] comes  from Hawaiian Electric's                                                               
2020-2021  sustainability report.   The  report details  Hawaiian                                                               
Electric's move from a 12  percent renewable portfolio in 2011 to                                                               
a 35  percent renewable portfolio  in 2020.  He  provided details                                                               
on  the  state's solar  installations,  which  have produced  4.5                                                               
percent [more energy] than specified  in the mandated target.  He                                                               
briefly reviewed [slide 12], which  details the updated status of                                                               
the state's  renewable energy projects.   He noted  that Hawaiian                                                               
Electric  reached the  current percentage  with a  combination of                                                               
biomass, utility-scale  solar, battery, rooftop solar,  and wind.                                                               
He added that progress would also  be made from the completion of                                                               
existing projects.  Moving to  [slide 13], he provided details on                                                               
the comparison of fossil fuel  energy costs with renewable energy                                                               
costs, over  time.  He  detailed the  graph [on slide  14], which                                                               
depicted the downward-price curve  of renewable energy generation                                                               
from 2010  to 2019.   He pointed  out the significant  savings by                                                               
avoiding  oil cost  and the  cost of  maintaining the  associated                                                               
facilities.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
12:05:19 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. GLICK stated that HNEI's  analysis shows planned additions of                                                               
solar and solar-plus-wind projects in  the state would achieve 70                                                               
percent renewable  energy by 2030 without  significant changes in                                                               
the existing energy  infrastructure.  He reviewed  the details of                                                               
this analysis and gave the scenarios  that would create a path to                                                               
100  percent  renewable  energy  [as  seen  on  slide  15].    He                                                               
mentioned  the Kauai  Island  Utility Cooperative's  pumped-hydro                                                               
renewable energy project.  He  stated that this project will help                                                               
Hawai'i meet 70  percent of electricity sales  with renewables by                                                               
2030.  He  said, "While there is not a  silver bullet for finding                                                               
an  energy  transition,  it's critically  important  to  set  the                                                               
agenda with binding  commitments that carry the force  of law and                                                               
that  are  effectively enforced  by  an  oversight agency."    He                                                               
reviewed that  transition in Hawai'i  was stimulated  by decisive                                                               
leadership during  an economic  recession with  the support  of a                                                               
broad-based coalition of energy  stakeholders committed to energy                                                               
self-sufficiency.  He concluded that,  given the "great harm done                                                               
by the  dependence on foreign oil  and gas," [HB 301]  is timely,                                                               
and HNEI would assist in any way possible.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
12:10:57 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FIELDS  requested that  Mr. Glick follow  up after                                                               
the meeting with information on  the wind-plus-storage project on                                                               
Kauai.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
12:11:38 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SCHRAGE announced that HB 301 was held over.                                                                              

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 301 Tom Plant RPS Presentation.pdf HENE 3/10/2022 10:15:00 AM
HB 301
HB 301 Chris Rose RPS Presentation.pdf HENE 3/10/2022 10:15:00 AM
HB 301
HB 301 Mark Glick Alaska RPS-Hawaii Energy Transition.pdf HENE 3/10/2022 10:15:00 AM
HB 301